Raise Bucket without running motor

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Raise Bucket without running motor

Post #1 by MickeyJM » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:52 am

Hi All, I'm about to embark on my first resto - a JCB 3c Mk3. First labour of love is to get it onto the truck from the farm it is coming from. Due to hydraulic leaks the buckets have dropped, I was after some advice to raise the front bucket and backhoe bucket so I can roll/winch it up the ramps and onto the truck (saving time when the truck arrives to collect). The engine is not running but turns over. See attached pic. Any ideas ? Thanks. Mick.
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Re: Raise Bucket without running motor

Post #2 by Mrsmackpaul » Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:48 pm

I would jack the bucket up and cut dome angle iron the right length to support the ram so the bucket is off the ground
Use a chain block to pull the bachoe up
I reckon you might need to operate the spool vlave levers to allow the oil to flow bfrom the ram's

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Re: Raise Bucket without running motor

Post #3 by MickeyJM » Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:59 pm

Hi Mrsmackpaul, Thanks. Sorry, I'm a little confused....what is "dome angle iron" ? Also, So just by releasing the right valve the rams will move even if the motor isn't pumping the fluid ?


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Re: Raise Bucket without running motor

Post #4 by MickeyJM » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:03 pm

soz, just realised you meant "some" :)


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Re: Raise Bucket without running motor

Post #5 by Jeremy Rowland » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:45 pm

Paul that sounds about right to me; if the farm where the machine is located has a Loadall type forklift or other device that could be used for lifting you could also use those to lift the arms as required; just make sure they are secured firmly and that the backhoe is not free to swing left or right.

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Re: Raise Bucket without running motor

Post #6 by essexpete » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:05 pm

Best bet is as Jeremy said , if another loader near by lift the hoe and loader with a strop or chain. If it has stood a long while you may not need to worry about releasing the oil with a spool. You could push the loader into float which might help. I suppose the hoe locking bar is not with the machine?
Do you have an idea why it will not run? I may have missed an earlier post.


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Re: Raise Bucket without running motor

Post #7 by MickeyJM » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:32 am

thanks for replies - sorry fell asleep.....ideal but unfortunately there is no other working machine (or mate!) around to help me without significant expense due to farm distance. Machine was working relatively recently but now doesn't run - turns over, some water in engine block, exact reason unknown but will be completely overhauled with new cylinder sleeves/gaskets etc when finally back at my place (I'll start another topic thread with images regarding this).

Using a block and tackle is ok. Using a Jack is ok. Being a novice I'm just unsure what to bring with me when tackling the machine readiness for pick up (5 hours away). So, albeit slowly, if I just keep the the appropriate release lever open, Will the rams retract just by using the pressure from the jack or block and tackle ? Once up I can secure buckets for transport so as not to drop again. Or is it possible to undo the ram hoses and retract the same way using block and tackle - any issues further down the track with doing it that way besides maybe loss of fluid?


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Re: Raise Bucket without running motor

Post #8 by super6954 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:47 am

Hi Like others have said, you can raise the loader and backhoe by various means, I have done it by spinning the engine with the starter with short bursts, so you don't over heat and destroy the starter. while spinning it pull the control spool to say raise the loader, but you need oil in the systems and good battery's and starter .

Essexpete's probably asking about it not running for a reason. I own a 3D3 build 5 here in Canada with the extenda hoe it weighs around 7 ton or more. if yours don't run it's a heavy dead Donkey to try do anything with where it is or at home when you get there. 3 hours depending why it's dead making it run and getting oil in the hyds just to load it, might be better than 4 hours messing around trying to jack stuff up and load it not running.

I owned a 3c3 with extender before the D it had a smaller rear boom like yours and was just as light on the front when it was working to. you had to be careful sometimes. I drove my D on the trailer when i brought it home from the auction , It had no brakes and needed the loader boom and backhoe moving to get it to drive straight/keep balance when the front came off the ground going up the ramps. yours will probably do the same thing causing brown pants moments when you can't counter balance it with moving the loader or backhoe. Depending on how the oil levels are and wear in the system you might not steer it very easy turning the wheel either without it running.

Generally dead machines are still there or cheap for a reason They are a pain in the butt to move. I'm a mechanic and collector of old tractors. I know because with some of them I wish I'd never seen or owned it before they got on the trailer or truck , or even back off again at home L.O.L.
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Re: Raise Bucket without running motor

Post #9 by MickeyJM » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:03 am

Hey Robert, thanks. The motor was definitely running just a couple months ago and "pretty" sure needs a single sleeve change to get up and going again. Brakes work :) . Thought Id do a complete overhaul while at it and never have to worry about it again - it wont be doing it tough at my farm. Family, work, and the tractor being so far away from my farm I cant work on it for any period of time. To get a mech on site would be cost inhibitive, hence the reason to get it home first.


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Re: Raise Bucket without running motor

Post #10 by essexpete » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:45 am

Robert was quite right I would be tempted to try and run it if it turns freely. Drop the oil and replace with a cheap suitable oil. Have the fuel system apart and wash out bowls, new filter etc. Fill the rad with just water for now. A good battery and even (don't tell anyone) a tiny sniff of ether. You might need some spare hydraulic oil and obviously fuel. If it would work to load it would be so much less difficult. On the balance issue I always used our 3C111, when transporting or loading, with the heavy old hoe (extender) pushed over to one side and folded in as tight as possible behind.


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